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Poster: Fact_Checker Date: Aug 14, 2009 3:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are Star Trek Bloopers OK?

Just to be clear: I was never referring to "The Cage" as an unpublished episode. I specifically wrote about those "that Paramount willingly exhibited" AND "some reels that they (presumably) never authorized to be shown outside the studio."

Video-Cellar correctly recognized that the first group were the first-season episodes; all you had to do was follow the link to the court decision to see that. The second group ("some reels that [Paramount] (presumably) never authorized to be shown...") were the blooper reels.

Guyzilla discusses "The Cage" having been "air[ed] in it's [sic] original form [after] more than 20 years," so it obviously falls into neither of the categories I discussed. Paramount can argue that material in "The Cage" not previously published in "The Menagerie" began copyright in the 1980s, with VHS release and/or television distribution.

It has occurred to me that perhaps Paramount did eventually issue the blooper reels as supplements on DVD (or earlier homevideo format). If so, and if Paramount put on a copyright notice stating that all new material on the tape or disc is copyrighted effective the year of the homevideo edition, they did what they needed to for copyright purposes. This assumes they did so on the first authorized release and assumes also that they hadn't neglected legal action in the past to such an extent that copyright was abandoned. If Paramount's release of the bloopers (if any--I frankly don't know if there has been any authorized release of the bloopers) first occurred during the DVD era, copyright notice and registration wouldn't even be necessary (owing to the change in the laws).

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Poster: quigs Date: Aug 14, 2009 7:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are Star Trek Bloopers OK?

That all means, no bloopers, right? Or the un aired pilot, "The Cage".

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Aug 14, 2009 10:56pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are Star Trek Bloopers OK?

No bloopers. Sorry, But I have other clips and movies (see my later thread for the list) that I'm hoping to get through plus later on enough trailers to fill a trailer park! You win some, you lose some!

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Poster: quigs Date: Aug 14, 2009 11:40pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are Star Trek Bloopers OK?

yeah, nice try, though.

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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:50pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I Think the Question is, "Does Paramount Mind?"

..and that the answer is, "Not if the publication of Star Trek clips promotes sales.", and it obviously does!
There are 100s of Star Trek fan sites on the internet which offer multiple clips for download, including blooper reels (not to mention many thousand of copyrighted still images and sound files), yet Paramount/Viacom never goes after any of the sites' owners. Yet never is heard a discouraging word, not even in the case of the gargantuan sites, which are years old.

The possible exceptions here (and I say "possible" because such removal requests appear to only happen at youTube, which I have been informed is a special case) are extras ripped directly, and in *unchanged* form, from one of the DVDs.

Nevertheless, I commend your caution where the reputation of Internet Archives is concerned! I don't think we can ever be too careful about what we upload here.

However, if you have *bootleg* Star Trek blooper tapes, I also think it's a cryin' shame to deprive fans of the pleasure of seeing them, so...if you'd like me to upload them onto my site, I'll happily chance it. It's a relatively small and pathetic excuse for a Star Trek site, since it was never intended to be one, but it apparently gets a couple of thousand hits a month.